Jack's ramblings:
I have often thought as I have studied Amasa, "Is the total of the Lord's Plan, for our Eternal Exaltation, dependent upon Satan's success here on the earth."
As we talk of:
1. Adam and Eve, were driven out of the garden, because Satan won in his influence, and beguiling them to choose wrong.
2. We teach that the whole world was destroyed during Noah's time because Satan succeeded.
3. We even learn that in modern times the LDS were driven from Missouri and Illinois because Satan won.
4. We are taught that we are "SAVED" because Satan won in his influence over Judas, the Jewish rulers, Potiphar, and the Roman Legions, "Christ was crucified" because Satan succeeded.
I really hope when it comes to the end of our lives, we are not on the wrong side of the fence in our perspectives. Does our eternal progression really depend on "Satan's Success". I don't believe it, I never will. I have always looked for the successes behind these failures and not on Satan's winning. There is far more than the "cross" to the savior's success and we need to look beyond the moment. Did he save us all, or just open the gate, and it is up to us to walk through. Are we walking or are we still watching and waiting on the wrong side of the fence.
I have often thought as I have studied Amasa, "Is the total of the Lord's Plan, for our Eternal Exaltation, dependent upon Satan's success here on the earth."
As we talk of:
1. Adam and Eve, were driven out of the garden, because Satan won in his influence, and beguiling them to choose wrong.
2. We teach that the whole world was destroyed during Noah's time because Satan succeeded.
3. We even learn that in modern times the LDS were driven from Missouri and Illinois because Satan won.
4. We are taught that we are "SAVED" because Satan won in his influence over Judas, the Jewish rulers, Potiphar, and the Roman Legions, "Christ was crucified" because Satan succeeded.
I really hope when it comes to the end of our lives, we are not on the wrong side of the fence in our perspectives. Does our eternal progression really depend on "Satan's Success". I don't believe it, I never will. I have always looked for the successes behind these failures and not on Satan's winning. There is far more than the "cross" to the savior's success and we need to look beyond the moment. Did he save us all, or just open the gate, and it is up to us to walk through. Are we walking or are we still watching and waiting on the wrong side of the fence.
More fun reading about Amasa:
https://rsc.byu.edu › california-saints › apostles-amid-gold-seekers-1849
https://rsc.byu.edu › california-saints › apostles-amid-gold-seekers-1849
AML Quote of the Week: MS10-11-62 When I permit myself to be embroiled in a debate with a poor miserable being who is a disgrace to humanity, I put myself on a level with him, and cannot lay claim to any more respect than he claims ..Let all your labors be devoted to telling the truth to those who will listen to it, and let such characters go their own way. Your attention turned to them is their food: withhold it, and they become powerless and die.
AML Quote from Last Week: 3-23-62 Matthew 11:19-34 I have just read, that they should seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, this of course being denominated and placed first, as first engaging mans attention; and as being that for which he should first seek, it can only be regarded by us as forming the beginning of the superstructure that was to be reared by the revelation to man of the truth, and through the unfolding to man in that revelation a knowledge of himself, and the relationship he sustains to the causes that have produced the development of intellectual humanity upon the earth; thus laying rationally and consistently the foundation of the superstructure first, as that upon which the building should be reared-that which was to sustain the building and give to it a perpetuity of existence
But how, then, shall we commence our search, and in what direction shall we look to find what constitutes the righteousness of the kingdom of God? To learn what constitutes the righteousness of the kingdom of God, we require to know something of the nature of the purpose and design that influenced Jehovah in first developing intellectual humanity on the earth-what the purpose was he had in view in giving man a being in the world, and then, when we know what he has done, and whether it is consonant with what he intended to do, its consistency and beauty will be rendered obvious to us.
But how, then, shall we commence our search, and in what direction shall we look to find what constitutes the righteousness of the kingdom of God? To learn what constitutes the righteousness of the kingdom of God, we require to know something of the nature of the purpose and design that influenced Jehovah in first developing intellectual humanity on the earth-what the purpose was he had in view in giving man a being in the world, and then, when we know what he has done, and whether it is consonant with what he intended to do, its consistency and beauty will be rendered obvious to us.
WHAT AT-ONE-MENT?
We talk of the Atonement and think of the cross,
the life he gave freely, oh what a great loss.
But was there more, that we don’t understand,
did he do something more, in making his stand.
Of Adam and Eve, we understand it quite clear.
They partook of the fruit that brought us all here.
They made the decision, they chose to taste death.
They accepted the challenge and took a deep breath.
Cheribum and the flaming sword being placed in the path,
of the tree of life, and all that the Father hath.
But what does it mean, to be kept from the Tree,
of life and happiness and all that we wanted to be.
The Cheribum were white birds placed to cover the Arch,
a veil so to speak, to keep it separate and apart.
A symbol of separation, from Father and Mother,
to touch them to feel them, to rely on another.
The flaming sword is easy to see,
it’s death itself, that keeps us from the tree.
The tree of life, with fruit so sweet and good,
death keeps us from it, to taste if we could.
But what did Christ do, that day on the cross.
That saved us from death, and made up for the loss.
He raised from the dead, it’s there for us all to see.
He overcame death, then shared it with you and me.
But process the feeling, about things he has done,
is that what we need, to follow him, to “be one”.
He certainly hasn’t asked us, to die on a cross,
to give our lives freely, would it be a waisted loss.
When he died on the cross, was it the blood that he spilt.
No!! wait he didn’t, it was bodily fluid that they felt.
Was it then, that the burden was to heavy to bear,
or the loss of his friends, because no one was there.
Think back on the pain, when he was in the Garden,
when Judas was jealous, and there was no pardon.
Was Ciaphas and Pilot predestined to kill,
if they had repented, would it have defeated God’s will.
It can’t be the cross or his death, that’s predestined to be,
or what’s the purpose of choice, and the chance to be free.
When I think of the Atonement and want clearly to see,
there must be more to it, something left for us to be.
If he’s already done it, and we are all one with the Father,
then what is the purpose, why even bother.
It must be the experience, not just a single event,
the reason we’re here, and why the Savior was sent.
Was there more in the Garden, it must be more than the tree,
that made Jesus suffer, and carry that burden for me.
Was it something to do with Cheribum or the Veil,
that lead him to bleed and go through a living hell.
Was it a death that he suffered, in the Garden to know,
the path we must take, and the way we Should go.
Did he learn from Angels, though the veil was he sent.
learning the way we must follow, is that what he meant
Is it that pathway, that he was sent here to find,
that opened the heavens, to those who followed behind.
Was it simply the knowledge, that man couldn’t see,
that Jesus our Savior discovered, and was sent here to be.
We are often confused, with this single event,
why Jesus came here, and why he was sent.
Was it to die or be killed , it can’t really be,
for many have died for our God, before he.
Was it punishment or to suffer, was that what he come for,
was it death, or to stop evil or to “open a door”.
We think of the Savior, and his life without sin,
but was it his death, or life, that would let us all in.
To think, if Jesus was only sent to die on the cross,
would all of his good works, be to us a great loss.
The Atonement must be more than just that tree,
that brings the new life for you and for me.
The cross is important, for the things that were done,
but when it comes to his directive, becoming as one.
We must do more, than just give up our own life,
there’s more to conquering, in this world full of strife.
The Atonement is more, than a snapshot we take,
it is living our best, it’s the memories we make.
It must be more suffering in the garden, that’s done,
than the minutes on the cross, that can make us as one.
The Savior’s Atonement is not just a moment sublime,
It’s a lifelong process, doing your best all the time.
The Savior’s life was not wasted, or given in vain,
but it’s the life that he lives, that we need to retain.
The Atonement is not limited to death on the cross,
but extends through all time, to make up for our loss.
It began with a son’s proposal, a simple made plan,
that we may be like Them, “the eternal progress of man”.
It happened back then, when we all answered the call,
we chose to go through life, that began at the Fall.
The Atonement will continue from that day it begun,
to the time of judgment, when we can become one.
Each day he has been there, each day he will cry,
continue, press forward, it don’t end when you die.
You can make it, keep trying your destiny’s divine,
just keep pushing forward, it’s only a matter of time.
The Savior has commanded for us to become one
with the Father and him, the only begotten son.
For this is the Atonement, to be one with the Father,
overcome evil, and be united with our Elder Brother.
Jack N. Lyman
We talk of the Atonement and think of the cross,
the life he gave freely, oh what a great loss.
But was there more, that we don’t understand,
did he do something more, in making his stand.
Of Adam and Eve, we understand it quite clear.
They partook of the fruit that brought us all here.
They made the decision, they chose to taste death.
They accepted the challenge and took a deep breath.
Cheribum and the flaming sword being placed in the path,
of the tree of life, and all that the Father hath.
But what does it mean, to be kept from the Tree,
of life and happiness and all that we wanted to be.
The Cheribum were white birds placed to cover the Arch,
a veil so to speak, to keep it separate and apart.
A symbol of separation, from Father and Mother,
to touch them to feel them, to rely on another.
The flaming sword is easy to see,
it’s death itself, that keeps us from the tree.
The tree of life, with fruit so sweet and good,
death keeps us from it, to taste if we could.
But what did Christ do, that day on the cross.
That saved us from death, and made up for the loss.
He raised from the dead, it’s there for us all to see.
He overcame death, then shared it with you and me.
But process the feeling, about things he has done,
is that what we need, to follow him, to “be one”.
He certainly hasn’t asked us, to die on a cross,
to give our lives freely, would it be a waisted loss.
When he died on the cross, was it the blood that he spilt.
No!! wait he didn’t, it was bodily fluid that they felt.
Was it then, that the burden was to heavy to bear,
or the loss of his friends, because no one was there.
Think back on the pain, when he was in the Garden,
when Judas was jealous, and there was no pardon.
Was Ciaphas and Pilot predestined to kill,
if they had repented, would it have defeated God’s will.
It can’t be the cross or his death, that’s predestined to be,
or what’s the purpose of choice, and the chance to be free.
When I think of the Atonement and want clearly to see,
there must be more to it, something left for us to be.
If he’s already done it, and we are all one with the Father,
then what is the purpose, why even bother.
It must be the experience, not just a single event,
the reason we’re here, and why the Savior was sent.
Was there more in the Garden, it must be more than the tree,
that made Jesus suffer, and carry that burden for me.
Was it something to do with Cheribum or the Veil,
that lead him to bleed and go through a living hell.
Was it a death that he suffered, in the Garden to know,
the path we must take, and the way we Should go.
Did he learn from Angels, though the veil was he sent.
learning the way we must follow, is that what he meant
Is it that pathway, that he was sent here to find,
that opened the heavens, to those who followed behind.
Was it simply the knowledge, that man couldn’t see,
that Jesus our Savior discovered, and was sent here to be.
We are often confused, with this single event,
why Jesus came here, and why he was sent.
Was it to die or be killed , it can’t really be,
for many have died for our God, before he.
Was it punishment or to suffer, was that what he come for,
was it death, or to stop evil or to “open a door”.
We think of the Savior, and his life without sin,
but was it his death, or life, that would let us all in.
To think, if Jesus was only sent to die on the cross,
would all of his good works, be to us a great loss.
The Atonement must be more than just that tree,
that brings the new life for you and for me.
The cross is important, for the things that were done,
but when it comes to his directive, becoming as one.
We must do more, than just give up our own life,
there’s more to conquering, in this world full of strife.
The Atonement is more, than a snapshot we take,
it is living our best, it’s the memories we make.
It must be more suffering in the garden, that’s done,
than the minutes on the cross, that can make us as one.
The Savior’s Atonement is not just a moment sublime,
It’s a lifelong process, doing your best all the time.
The Savior’s life was not wasted, or given in vain,
but it’s the life that he lives, that we need to retain.
The Atonement is not limited to death on the cross,
but extends through all time, to make up for our loss.
It began with a son’s proposal, a simple made plan,
that we may be like Them, “the eternal progress of man”.
It happened back then, when we all answered the call,
we chose to go through life, that began at the Fall.
The Atonement will continue from that day it begun,
to the time of judgment, when we can become one.
Each day he has been there, each day he will cry,
continue, press forward, it don’t end when you die.
You can make it, keep trying your destiny’s divine,
just keep pushing forward, it’s only a matter of time.
The Savior has commanded for us to become one
with the Father and him, the only begotten son.
For this is the Atonement, to be one with the Father,
overcome evil, and be united with our Elder Brother.
Jack N. Lyman
Many people know that apostle, Amasa Mason Lyman, was excommunicated, but few know that his membership was posthumously reinstated because of a dream. You can get the DVD about his life, "A Labor of Love," just go to the store for ordering information.
A clip from the DVD about Amasa...